@DavidBahry @BenFPiercePhD @PeterDaszak @COVIDSelect But instead of looking at larger trends like in that graphic above, politicians have literally spent the past four years talking about the actions of a couple dozen scientists. And they are blaming the s
@Nucleocapsoid @breakfast_dogs @DarrenM98230782 @raouljdegroot @SystemsVirology @JarelElgin @vmcorman @a_kruschke @stevenemassey @BiophysicsFL ... come across any good evidence of this), in others perhaps incidental. We certainly do catch viruses directly
@blink64 @ZooNaughty Humans often do get infected with bat viruses directly. We may well have got SARS1 from bats first and then given it to civets rather than the other way around. The same may have happened with pangolins. Wild civets were generally sero
RT @Panopticonomy: @Byron_Wan Notes: The same publication known as "Virol Sin" in its short form. The same Journal that Peter Daszak publi…
@jhas5 Links to this, 2018. Mines: https://t.co/Sk3GAUx8l6
RT @Panopticonomy: @Byron_Wan Notes: The same publication known as "Virol Sin" in its short form. The same Journal that Peter Daszak publi…
@Byron_Wan Notes: The same publication known as "Virol Sin" in its short form. The same Journal that Peter Daszak published in with the bat lady. Serological Evidence of Bat SARS-Related Coronavirus Infection in Humans, China https://t.co/MEZ5Q60kfT
@SolidEvidence @DrHermiz @_eljee b. why don't you know that the WIV used wuhan as a negative control because they knew how unlikely a wuhan SARSr outbreak would be? i shouldn't know more about this topic than you... https://t.co/bJohNVCYas https://t.co/
@DrHermiz @dr_handler A reminder that the WIV itself used Wuhan as a seronegative control in a 2018 paper. https://t.co/bJohNVCYas https://t.co/JJHTogjaDH
@mbalter This one, for example. https://t.co/C59uKm3bBT https://t.co/6fYtKKvcnc
RT @Engineer2The: 4/ Subtask 6.4 - Test previously collected human sera from Yunnan Province to assess SARSr-CoV spillover. https://t.co/m…
9\ Serological Evidence of Bat SARS-Related Coronavirus Infection in Humans, China https://t.co/Qr3jU4Xj6c Finds serological evidence of unproductive spillovers in Yunnan, discloses their sampling locations
@past_is_future @jonatanpallesen @whstancil A 2018 paper on bats and SARS-related viruses actually used Wuhan as a control group because it is over 1,000 km away from where such viruses are ever found naturally: https://t.co/ewYWCCYNgU https://t.co/4ucuz
RT @Biorealism: @mkeulemans @BonneKlok @mdc_martinus @HansMahncke @WHO Except Wuhan was used as a control for a 2015 serological study on S…
@mkeulemans @BonneKlok @mdc_martinus @HansMahncke @WHO Except Wuhan was used as a control for a 2015 serological study on SARS-related coronavirus infection due to it's location. It was the last place anyone expected a SARS-related coronavirus outbreak. ht
@brian_t_muldoon And antibodies from failed animal to human jumps are really easy to find where zoonosis--which is incredibly common--is actually occurring. https://t.co/sKTefEhZPX
@BiotechObserver @WashburneAlex @CharlesRixey They predicted here:https://t.co/W9SzevhKt0 oh wait, that prediction was the opposite https://t.co/Lh8tZYDt5D
@harishseshadri2 @PatrickSSte @Dissenting2020 @MJnanostretch @jbkinney @gdemaneuf @Bryce_Nickels DEFUSE study site involving 3 caves is 250 km from Mojiang mine where RaTG13 was discovered. This paper indicates Shitou & Yanzi Caves were implicated by D
RT @Engineer2The: 4/ Subtask 6.4 - Test previously collected human sera from Yunnan Province to assess SARSr-CoV spillover. https://t.co/m…
@OrmeStephan @rockrock10 @scotub false. the WIV's own study used wuhan as a seronegative control precisely because of how rare an outbreak would be in the city. https://t.co/bJohNVCYas https://t.co/L3JOKXj8Df
@RoyWebbPull @lulopson @PhilippMarkolin Wuhan was even used as a control for serological study on SARS-related bat coronavirus infections in 2015 due to its urban location. So when a SARS-related bat coronavirus outbreak occured there it was unexpected. ht
@AwakenedJoyce @stopthespraybc @IR23944504 @R_H_Ebright @mindymouse324 MERS/MERSr's continues to spill over to humans from camels where it is endemic. Based on seroprevalence, it likely spills over multiple times a year without causing large outbreaks...as
@mikeydoubled Yes, viruses *dutifully* avoid researchers, no risk to them from poking around for most dangerous viruses and traveling back to large cities! See: SARS-like coronavirus of spillover in Yunnan without sparking a pandemic, also how rural peopl
Similar finding: https://t.co/1F85g6eg5a
@RealYeyoZa What is the least likely place for a natural spillover of a new coronavirus? Wuhan. https://t.co/dKSg9EKS2Z https://t.co/QW9El11jqq
@AwakenedJoyce @blink64 @ydeigin @Quillette When you say people in Yunnan had antibodies are you talking about this study Ecohealth Alliance did? You realize this doesn't directly relate to the Mojang Mine story right? https://t.co/g0t86oSrmm
RT @Biorealism: @greenrya004 @deenial @clairlemon Yes, Wuhan was actually used as a control for serological study on SARS-related bat coron…
@greenrya004 @deenial @clairlemon Yes, Wuhan was actually used as a control for serological study on SARS-related bat coronavirus infections in 2015 because it's such an unlikely location for exposure to these viruses. https://t.co/VvaKazXKHS
@grizwald87 @mbalter @zeynep @tommy2t45103307 @BiophysicsFL @MarioKoopmans @R_H_Ebright @janeqiuchina @sciencecohen Btw, have you read the Daszak/SZL paper where they did the scary "gain of function" tests (with sequences that *are* available in databases
RT @Biorealism: @jhouse678 @ydeigin @Jason Wuhan was even used as a control for a serological study on SARS-related coronavirus infection i…
@ChristiaanPtr @DavidBahry @BiophysicsFL @harishseshadri2 @ydeigin Your prior needs to account for the location of Wuhan being the last place to expect a SARS-like coronavirus outbreak. Hence it was used as a *control* for 2018 serological study on SARS-re
@jhouse678 @ydeigin @Jason Wuhan was even used as a control for a serological study on SARS-related coronavirus infection in 2018 due to its location. https://t.co/VvaKazXKHS
@jed_white @BadDataTakes @zeynep @KatzOnEarth @mbalter @R_H_Ebright @RottenInDenmark Most of the wildlife trade runs through Guangdong so those are are areas you might expect secondary outbreaks. @h/t @Ticklicker56 @gdemaneuf. Wuhan was a control for a 201
Ffs, "weird"??? That's what you're relying on? This is just as bad as guilt by association. Where is the proof, Zeynep?
@RottenInDenmark F. Detrict comparison is nonsense. Location is NOT proof but it IS weird. It shocked the scientists including Shi Zhengli. Before, they’d use Wuhan as a negative control for rural spillover because it seemed so unlikely to have a bat coron
@TreesSecret @DavidBahry @JohnSkylar @edwardcholmes @australian @gdemaneuf @Ticklicker56 Yes, but why arise in Wuhan & nowhere else when there were ~40,000 wet markets in China in 2019? As Dr Berche noted, you would expect secondary outbreaks. Wuhan ev
RT @Biorealism: @Kingkiko61 @Neoavatara @hyperplanes Wuhan was even used as a control for a serological study on SARS-like coronaviruses in…
@Kingkiko61 @Neoavatara @hyperplanes Wuhan was even used as a control for a serological study on SARS-like coronaviruses in 2018. A very unlikely place for this type of outbreak. Location, sampling history, research proposals (add FCS to novel SrCVs) all c
@HellionOfTroy Wuhan was even used as a control for a serological study on SARS-related coronavirus infection in 2018 because it's such an unlikely location for this kind of virus to emerge. https://t.co/VvaKazXKHS
RT @Biorealism: @oneunderscore__ @zeynep @RottenInDenmark @DavidBahry @scotub Wuhan was even used as a control in 2018 for a serological st…
@oneunderscore__ @zeynep @RottenInDenmark @DavidBahry @scotub Wuhan was even used as a control in 2018 for a serological study on SARS-related bat coronavirus infections due to its location. It does have a US funded institute there teaching SARS-related co
Here are the smoking Guns for #lableak , by the way : https://t.co/S5iymqTjLt (totally public research paper) and a job ad translated (now deleted) from the Wuhan institute site (human translation, verified) This is from March 2020. https://t.co/Pxz2OZl
@whstancil Link to above paper "Serological Evidence of Bat SARS-Related Coronavirus Infection in Humans, China" Ning Wang, Lin-Fa Wang, Peter Daszak, Zheng-Li Shi et el https://t.co/04g5p6O4yO
@2_trenchcoat @whstancil It's also a transparently dishonest comparison given SARS-like viruses were so uncommon in Wuhan it was used as a control for a 2018 serological study on infection by these viruses. The nearest relatives are in Yunnan and Laos, are
RT @Biorealism: @Harry_is_human @whstancil Wuhan was even used as a control for a 2018 serological study on SARS-related bat coronaviruses.…
RT @Biorealism: @Harry_is_human @whstancil Wuhan was even used as a control for a 2018 serological study on SARS-related bat coronaviruses.…
@Harry_is_human @whstancil Wuhan was even used as a control for a 2018 serological study on SARS-related bat coronaviruses. Meanwhile, there were ~40,000 wet markets in China in 2019. https://t.co/VvaKazXKHS
RT @Biorealism: @rickwsint @_everythingism @C_Kavanagh @NateSilver538 Wuhan was such an unlikely location for a SARS-like coronavirus outbr…
RT @Biorealism: @davideyoungmd @whstancil Wuhan was such an unlikely place for this type of outbreak it was used as a control for a 2018 se…
@davideyoungmd @whstancil Wuhan was such an unlikely place for this type of outbreak it was used as a control for a 2018 serological study on SARS-like coronaviruses infections. An outbreak in southern China would make a lot more sense. WIV's research is a
RT @Biorealism: @rickwsint @_everythingism @C_Kavanagh @NateSilver538 Wuhan was such an unlikely location for a SARS-like coronavirus outbr…
@rickwsint @_everythingism @C_Kavanagh @NateSilver538 Wuhan was such an unlikely location for a SARS-like coronavirus outbreak that they used it as a control for serological study on these viruses in 2018. The nearest relatives to SARS-CoV-2 are in Yunnan
@LabSpaces @JudyMinkoff Note Yunnan and Laos are where the nearest relatives to SARS-CoV-2 are found to date. ~1,000 miles from Wuhan which was such an unlikely place for this type of outbreak it was used as a control for serological study in 2018 on SrCV
RT @Biorealism: @RMSolitayre @whstancil Wuhan was such an unlikely place it was used as a control for a serological study on SARS-related b…
@RMSolitayre @whstancil Wuhan was such an unlikely place it was used as a control for a serological study on SARS-related bat coronaviruses infections in 2018. So a US funded institute in Wuhan teaching SARS-related coronaviruses to infect human cells is a
RT @Biorealism: @byronlacroix @Bryce_Nickels @BenFPiercePhD Wuhan was even used as a control for serological studies on SARS-related corona…
@byronlacroix @Bryce_Nickels @BenFPiercePhD Wuhan was even used as a control for serological studies on SARS-related coronaviruses in 2018. It made no sense for the outbreak to begin there when there were ~40,000 wet markets in China in 2019. The obvious l
@gentle_class7 @Ticklicker56 @Daoyu15 Wuhan was a particularly unlikely place for this type of outbreak even used as a control in 2018 in a serological study on infection from SARS-related coronaviruses. Guangdong gets a far higher proportion of the wildli
@jamesgibbon @jbkinney @gadyepstein Wuhan was a particularly unlikely location for this type of outbreak, used as a control for serological study on SARS-like coronaviruses in 2018. Nearest relatives to SARS-CoV-2 are found in Yunnan and Laos where WIV sam
RT @Biorealism: @jbkinney @gadyepstein @mbw61567742 A wildlife linked outbreak would likely lead to an outbreak in various other locations…
@jbkinney @gadyepstein @mbw61567742 A wildlife linked outbreak would likely lead to an outbreak in various other locations before Wuhan. It was even used as a control for a serological study on SARS-related coronaviruses infection in 2018. https://t.co/Vv
@EricsElectrons @forgedcoupon @R_H_Ebright @cspan Wuhan was even used as a control for serological studies on SARS-related bat coronaviruses in 2018. Why did it start there and not in Guangdong where most of the wildlife trade runs? The most obvious link t
@AnvarolD @Camperman4660 @ProfKarolSikora Wuhan was even used as a control for a serological study on SARS-related coronaviruses in 2018 as it was a particularly unlikely place for these viruses. Let alone one already well adapted to human cells with few s
@a_solveig96 Wuhan was used as a control for serological studies on SARS-related bat coronaviruses in 2018. Why did it start there and not in Guangdong where most of the wildlife trade runs? The most obvious link to Yunnan and Laos is WIV's sampling histor
@a_solveig96 @Ayjchan Sure, which is why no one has excluded potential zoonotic spillover. My point is lab origin is v plausible too given the location of the outbreak. Wuhan was even used as a control for serological study on SARS-like viruses because of
@CallumJCParr @tomkXY @RVAwonk Wuhan was a particularly unlikely place for a SARS-like coronavirus outbreak given it was used as a control for a serological study on infection from these viruses. Apparently, it has 1% of the wildlife trade while Guangdong
RT @Biorealism: In other words, Bob Garry like the others was aware that Wuhan was an extremely unlikely location for a SARS-like coronavir…
RT @Biorealism: In other words, Bob Garry like the others was aware that Wuhan was an extremely unlikely location for a SARS-like coronavir…
In other words, Bob Garry like the others was aware that Wuhan was an extremely unlikely location for a SARS-like coronavirus outbreak. https://t.co/VvaKazXKHS
@past_is_future The PR man who pretends to do a lot of climate science (he doesn't, his full time job is PR for a government agency that collaborated with EcoHealth Alliance, the infamous partner to the Wuhan lab) spins tall tales -- Wuhan NOT considered a
@WashburneAlex @mbalter @Chillin_In_NW @JamieMetzl Yes, it was considered a very unlikely place for SARS-related bat coronavirus infection. Meanwhile, WIV sampled the locations where the closest matches to SARS-CoV-2 are found and refuse to share their rec
RT @Biorealism: @DavidBahry @KatzOnEarth @mikeydoubled @humblesci @Rebecca21951651 @WHO Wuhan was even used as a control in a serological s…
@DavidBahry @KatzOnEarth @mikeydoubled @humblesci @Rebecca21951651 @WHO Wuhan was even used as a control in a serological study on SARS-related bat coronaviruses. https://t.co/VvaKazXKHS https://t.co/h37xToOYQN
@breakfast_dogs @VillanuevaPM @TheSqueaker268 @BallouxFrancois Wuhan was a control for serological studies on bat coronaviruses research because of its urban location; population rarely in contact with bats. https://t.co/ip2x2LqXZr Plus, Zhong Nanshan has
21 November 2017 #covid19 https://t.co/TUcG63tsrF
RT @pepesgrandma: October 2015, 6 people out of 240 randomly tested people in 4 villages in Jinning County, China, tested positive for mult…
@Ticklicker56 @humblesci @mattwridley I initially thought it was "Shuanghechang", which is close to the other cave, but now I think that was a coincidence. It seems the name came from PREDICT, because it did not follow the standard series numbering of WIV
@Dmojavensis @John_A_Ridge @ColbyBadhwar Right…WIV wasn’t in Wuhan bc local pop often came in contact w/ CVs from those who engage in wildlife trade? Not dismissing a lab leak but serology studies of local pop show prior exposure to many CVs but thankfully
@IanCopeland5 @joerogan HTTPS:// https://t.co/LYQt1KSTMp The world knows the truth. https://t.co/yptRqSeTYp https://t.co/hREGHEcgCv https://t.co/vIDnytXrl6
@Victorshi2020 HTTPS:// https://t.co/LYQt1KSTMp The world knows the truth. https://t.co/yptRqSeTYp https://t.co/hREGHEcgCv https://t.co/vIDnytXrl6
@lissnup @stevenemassey @Florin_Uncovers Although not specified in the two refs on your screenshot (Ge et al. 2013 and Yang et al. 2016) those papers refer to sampling in caves near Kunming: Shitou and Yanzi (also in Yunnan Province but far away from Mojia
RT @DavidBahry: @BenjaminStJacq3 @Alice_636 @LePhareWest1 @MagChange_73 @ridingthatiger @ScienceMagazine A paper coauthored in 2018 by Dasz…