You've got a point. In recent cohort studies vegans tend to have the best B12 status (serum B12, homocystein and MMA). So yeah, perhaps that meat eater is deficient. "Micronutrient status and intake in omnivores, vegetarians and vegans in Switzerland" http
@vsebudethorisho https://t.co/xy7tMrjpVY следующее исследование показывает, что все группы (всеядные, вегетарианцы и веганы) имели свои дефициты. Веганы - цинка, вегетарианцы и веганы - витамина B6 и ниацина, а всеядные витаминов E и C, ниацина и фолиевой
@truthseekerNWB @beeaannZzZ @MeggGawat If only we had some human outcome data that indicates you’re full of crap https://t.co/WqHlbgZlki
Too funny!
Do you have any data to support that claim. I actually have some that show the opposite to what you claim. 2/2 https://t.co/WqHlbgZlki
@harald_faber @VeganCardio @StattName Schüpbach 2017 Healthy adults [omnivores (OVs), n OV = 100; vegetarians (VGs), n VG = 53; vegans (VNs), n VN = 53] aged 18–50 years were recruited, and their weight and height were measured. https://t.co/GtjIir3goY
@bolschevcizm @mlminpractice Iron deficiency rates are comparable between vegans and non-vegans, so idk what you're even talking about. i actually fixed my iron problems (caused by blood disorder) after going vegan throw this into sci-hub, you dork https:
@VeganIntox @Davlefou @Langlai73410097 Cette étude suisse par ex montre que la prévalence des déficiences en fer pour les adultes est similaire chez les omnivores, les végés et les vegans https://t.co/jjiO1BM8z6 https://t.co/4SSZ3loUx0
https://t.co/qlvG2QrauU A pesar de las diferencias sustanciales en la ingesta y la deficiencia entre los grupos, nuestros resultados indican que consumiendo una dieta bien equilibrada que incluya suplementos o productos enriquecidos, los tres tipos de diet
@j_t_2390 @amfetamigo @StevenMBelknap @miguelthevegan What a flipped burden of proof. But yes, we can (13 and 14 are here, but there’s the summary for you): https://t.co/TF3F4I9qqt https://t.co/mbcULNcYpZ https://t.co/nhm1FRMIxz
@WillBrink This article makes also some debunked pseudoscientific claims like association between plant based diet and mental health which we are pretty sure now is a reverse causation. And nutritional deficiencies that no longer exist among vegans. https:
@subliminalrot @JZMarsh79 @memiselfundi @vidsthatgohard Yea there are known deficiencies in omnivore diets as well https://t.co/qs47Ai3zsy
@thermonomix Just as fallacious as you suggesting one cannot get enough nutrients from a vegan diet. There are plenty more papers, the difference is that I don’t make the claim that omnivorous diets are unhealthy due to the noted deficiencies. https://t.c
@thermonomix @itsdavidramms @Rich_Cooper https://t.co/3DoiKGuPxc https://t.co/ajmcuaICmL https://t.co/LSdJ95vHQY I could go all day. You have yet to show me evidence that one cannot get sufficient nutrients on a vegan diet.
@thermonomix @itsdavidramms @Rich_Cooper Which is impossible to achieve in one’s diet? Can you provide evidence that vegans suffer from vitamin A deficiency? https://t.co/PiMkNak8BR https://t.co/xxrA7iGRSX https://t.co/V4tAQmoen1 https://t.co/KihnrqUbiJ
RT @drkohilathas: Tell me how vegans get B12, DHA, Vit D3, choline, taurine, creatine, tyrosine, collagen, vitamin A, haem iron and carnosi…
@Veganella_ @PavlicaDanijel @ScepticalDoctor @TheNutrivore @Veganella_ VN is vegan. https://t.co/7n2xpimJXV Pretty much everyone is at risk of iodine deficiency. I think a supplement is a much better option, rather than iodised salt https://t.co/xtbQsbr
@PavlicaDanijel @ScepticalDoctor @TheNutrivore @Veganella_ Have not found anything that looks at diet and vision specifically, but this study found that vegans have lower risk of cataracts compared to meat eaters... Is vitamin A protective against catara
@nusantaranimist @ArchyYes Hi! I'm not sure where you get that idea, but omnivores are typically worse at managing their nutrition than people on plant based diets. Hope this helps! https://t.co/vcX0I4Mg4j https://t.co/cE60ErFfMo
@ThelastStyleb16 @AaronBu72 @bigfatsurprise When did i say it is Vitamin A? It gets converted to it and you get sufficient vitamin a Status trough it. Again: No higher rate of deficiency in vegans https://t.co/jn8HAMYlhf
@ThelastStyleb16 @AaronBu72 @bigfatsurprise The study does not say 50 percent cant covert. It says 50 percent in the Region studyed have a impaired convertion. But still sufficient in nearly everyone. Thats why vegans have no higher rate of deficiency. Pl
@LibertarianWonk What’s your empirical evidence for this claim? Studies looking at it find similar numbers of inadequate levels, in toto. https://t.co/Wc7A5Ua3LS
@angieLovesUSA @PlantBasedNews Okay, so I read through the article, and it’s not the slam dunk that you seem to think it is. First of all, the potential for nutrient deficiency is not exclusive to veganism, so the author is essentially appealing to a nirv
@LovelessHart @PlantBasedNews “Omnivores had the lowest intake of Mg, vitamin C, vitamin E, niacin and folic acid.” https://t.co/qqvNwKQqV3
@Gearoidmuar @shivadas29 You don't realise that's what I've been asking you several times; and you show me a study on B12. Show me a study where vegans show an increased cardiovascular risk. I look forward to reading it. For the avoidance of doubt, I'm not
@houmoussaka @moopsieky @BFMTV Vitamine B6 et B2 : Les vegans sont plus souvent carencés en B6 et B2. source : https://t.co/rqs1K8nzh5 https://t.co/Hgua4u67jt - Vitamine B3 : Les vegans sont plus souvent carencés en vitamine B3. source : https://t.co/ZVwH
While omnivores may be quick to go into the "you're nutrient deficient" issue with vegans, it's important to note that being an omnivore does not exclude you from this dietary issue either: https://t.co/UefYeZr8OY I'll talk more about this this weekend at
@NutritionMadeS3 @praizerov @drjamesdinic And another paper suggesting no significant diff in vitamin a status between omnivores and vegans https://t.co/op7DXgjhZE
@MyNameXNobody @JanGrauer @Solerimus @ZDFheute Falsch, neue Daten die Biomarker gemessen haben zeigen keine erhöhte Prävalenz für einen Mangel https://t.co/1iN7itDsZw.
@winkubell @wheezay_ Why I hate discussing with ideologues. You already write things off that doesn't suit your ideas. https://t.co/75Vd6E3DMv https://t.co/nBSBnu6u0m
@TheCarnivoreLaw @biohack9 It’s almost like it’s easy to formulate good diets of many colors. https://t.co/Aqny4f8FZc
@aldeetyop @WendyBruening @veganfitnessric But sure, I'll bite. Here's a study comparing the micronutrient levels in ~100 omnivores to ~50 vegetarians and ~50 vegans. They concluded that any of those diets can fulfill nutrient needs, provided they suppleme
RT @JohnG_UK: In this study micronutrient insufficiency seems widely prevalent regardless of whether one is vegan or not. Well balanced app…
RT @JohnG_UK: In this study micronutrient insufficiency seems widely prevalent regardless of whether one is vegan or not. Well balanced app…
RT @JohnG_UK: In this study micronutrient insufficiency seems widely prevalent regardless of whether one is vegan or not. Well balanced app…
RT @JohnG_UK: In this study micronutrient insufficiency seems widely prevalent regardless of whether one is vegan or not. Well balanced app…
RT @JohnG_UK: In this study micronutrient insufficiency seems widely prevalent regardless of whether one is vegan or not. Well balanced app…
RT @JohnG_UK: In this study micronutrient insufficiency seems widely prevalent regardless of whether one is vegan or not. Well balanced app…
In this study micronutrient insufficiency seems widely prevalent regardless of whether one is vegan or not. Well balanced appropriately supplemented diets are important to mitigate risk for everyone, even if the cut offs aren't associated with symptoms htt
@herbivore_club Probably from https://t.co/XzrIdWNwIg https://t.co/NvmmAeg1JJ
Recent studies of younger vegan groups suggest supplementation is more widespread than previously (probably thanks to better education). Analysing this would make for an interesting paper. https://t.co/op7DXgAl1E
@NutritionMadeS3 @kevinnbass @drmatthewnagra @ScepticalDoctor @MattMadore576 @NanciGuestRDPhD 2017 Switzerland based study “Despite negligible dietary vitamin B12 intake in the vegan group, deficiency of this particular vitamin was low in all groups thanks
@CarnivoreIs @kadyrov4boogal1 We have studies including *clinically validated markers* but CIV would rather listen to people saying they *don't feel confident* just baffling. You'd rather hear feelings than literally looking at their blood. Talk about will
@CarnivoreIs Nutrient status doesn't really appear to be that much different compared to your typical omnivore amongst sensible vegans https://t.co/gQCytPKfHD Calcium intake was lower, however.
RT @Plant_proof: I see a lot of hysteria online from paleo folks about gene mutations and Vitamin A synthesis. The data suggests vegans…
I see a lot of hysteria online from paleo folks about gene mutations and Vitamin A synthesis. The data suggests vegans eating fibre rich diets have perfectly fine Vitamin A status. If vitamin A is an issue for vegans - I'd like to see the data https
@Imalilincognito @blackintheempir I hit a paywall for the Vitamin A when I go to the link study in the reference but here's the overall study https://t.co/I1rUqjkKrN
@Frotterchen @__tsb @BerwinEnzemann @TaktiAusDo @PyroKlose https://t.co/8tVZAm2L4t Hier hast du auch mal die Studie auf die ich mich beziehe.
Nice profile of rational vegan vs omni diet. improved BP, lipids, Body Fat % in vegans. Some nutrient intakes were lower; which can be easily corrected. https://t.co/qg3V4CX3uN
@nino_muerto @JamieRohu @BeBipartisan @TheEconomist Here is where it states they get their data from USDA https://t.co/1JkKDOGDH6 Here is why you are completely wrong about deficiencies. https://t.co/JXBMl8H5RZ
@NanciGuestRDPhD @ScepticalDoctor Huh? I thought that data typically show that some deficiencies are very common in all diet groups. E.g. https://t.co/UN5iqUGBGx https://t.co/sYjeJrliFz
@ScepticalDoctor No disagreement, but non-vegans may need to pay more attention to Mg, vitamin C, vitamin E, niacin and folic acid. There's two sides to the coin. Why did you make a claim that you have no data for? Maybe you should have phrased it diffe
@mosca_matthew @meatymcsorley @TheActressRD @DaveKeto Not many major differences vegans worse in a few places, omnivores in others, even with a questionably healthy vegan pattern and after discontinuing supps prior to analyses https://t.co/PZZxDgAPgD https
@Han1991en @waeard @_soamii هذي دراسة عملوها بين اكلين لحوم و فجتريانز وفيجنز وكانت النتيجة ان كل المجموعات عندهم نقص بفيتامينات معينة و ان لو كان الاكل متوازن + اخذ مكملات او اكل مدعم فكل الانظمة الثلاثة ممكن ان تحصل على كفايتها من الفيتامينات والمعادن ht
@LucasFultz @MouthyInfidel Here’s a study specifically on the micronutrient status.Not one mention of women and red meat. https://t.co/kXSp0tAM2Z I’m sure you know more than them right? Let’s check the largest meta analysis to see if they’ve got something
RT @Sophiia_Melanie: @PasVegan au cas ou on me le demande : https://t.co/UIWCDH1VEC https://t.co/d0ELuuzCDI
@PasVegan au cas ou on me le demande : https://t.co/UIWCDH1VEC https://t.co/d0ELuuzCDI
RT @SeedOilsforLife: @CJakedoleschal @pran_dr When you actually look at the blood levels of vitamin A in vegans they are not deficient thou…
@CJakedoleschal @pran_dr When you actually look at the blood levels of vitamin A in vegans they are not deficient though. https://t.co/uyE790f2i2 https://t.co/HkujVB3kVl
RT @hugben01: @drkohilathas @KimKardashian Such bullshit, no citations at all just claims taken out of thin air. Here is a study from Switz…
Tell me how vegans get B12, DHA, Vit D3, choline, taurine, creatine, tyrosine, collagen, vitamin A, haem iron and carnosine in their diet? Answer: They don't.
@drkohilathas @KimKardashian Such bullshit, no citations at all just claims taken out of thin air. Here is a study from Switzerland that shows how vegans and vegetarians aren't deficient in any vitamins compared to omnivores https://t.co/ZN5ud9vDxa
@Leonrus1968 @AdamKiley3 @blindguardianDC In this study comparing nutrient status in vegans, vegetarians and omnivores, omnivores had a slightly higher risk of iron deficiency (14.3%) compared to vegans (13.5%) https://t.co/dJB7iTaC2x
@zinocker However, both vegan & omnivorous diets have specific pros & cons. Compared to vegans, omnivores often have insufficient intake of Mg, vit C, vit E, vit B3, folates, vegetables, & fibers. The dichotomy of omnivor=perfect & vegan=in
@marcvallee13 @Fabiensapiens @ArizonaDream14 A nuancer par les facteurs influençant cette absorption (https://t.co/XvCv2A8TTS) : aliments riches en vitamine C l'augmente fortement. D'où un taux de déficience en fer similaire entre omnivores et végétaliens
@MGDickenherr @Elementaliz @janboehm Grundsätzlich: Ergänzungsmittel waren nicht erlaubt bei der Studie. Aber die Autoren schreiben, dass ein Großteil der Veganer *vorher* B12 eingenommen hat, und dass deswegen dort wohl kaum jemand einen Mangel hatte. Is
@FPLOrta @GeeLedger You found the one paper that shows in a very specific case that vegans had slightly higher deficiency of one vitamin than others? Do you want a medal? The answer is a well-balanced diet bud, whether your vegan or omnivore. https://t.c
@metrixon @BegbieT2 @lordvile7 @Karl_Lauterbach Aha, so ähnlich wie z. B. Folsäure für Schwangere, oder speziell bei Allesessern Magnesium, Vitamin C und Vitamin E? https://t.co/NlEm1naI5p Wenn es die Option gibt, kritische Nährstoffe über Supplemente auf
@HeyyySai @mooooooooogan @CDProd95 @Thisfuckin_guy @amor_valeriaa nutrient intake by diet in Switzerland: https://t.co/3HIGen53sS https://t.co/ltPHyU9tlU https://t.co/OHHI3PHzVo https://t.co/IapgNsasCt
@ElenaIzquierdoR @LiterallyPaws @kisaop La dieta vegana no tiene consecuencias, tiene consecuencias cualquier dieta mal planificada. https://t.co/jSWbXbGfLF El hierro no es problema. https://t.co/P9PGjXp8KV Con el calcio sí hay que tener más cuidado pero
@SylkeBambilke @BorisNMoellers @HubertAiwanger 1: Anekdoten lassen halt Aussagen wie die obige nicht zu, und aktuelle Studien zeigen in die andere Richtung. https://t.co/NlEm1naI5p 2: Ist das "industrielle Zeug" nun also gut oder schlecht? https://t.co/je
@NBetancz @caracovil @Faran341 @JamesBautistaS @bbcmundo Vos querés papers te paso papers. https://t.co/2lNS6SiFGf
@Veganella_ @naturalhealthbl @ScepticalDoctor @MacroFour @ArmandoPCE When you supplement b12 no problems with status. https://t.co/op7DXgAl1E
@jamesseandoyle1 @ukmav @TheTrueCompton Have you read your own article? Why would a vegan disagree with the notion to supplement B12? Every diet groups needs to plan their diet well. Look at all the deficiencies among meat eaters also: https://t.co/nHb5g7
@awright4645 @saladeaufromage 4/4 supplements. Prevalence of Fe [Iron] deficiency was comparable across all diet groups.” Reference: European Journal of Nutrition, 2017 Feb;56(1):283-293; https://t.co/wHZqHiW4hw
@Yashovardhan_13 @CognitiveDiss0 Its worth noting some mushrooms have more D2 than fish D3. Regarding Vegan Lacking Iron, here is the latest study fromSwitzerland Showing Equivalent Iron Levels amg nonveg/vegan/other : https://t.co/HvjUyetbsz
@right_tao @APnow9 @Cernovich First thing it says is that heme iron is good: https://t.co/iiWOs51L2n https://t.co/LTuEoGFYjd “Prevalence of Fe deficiency was comparable across all diet groups.“
@KemMinnick https://t.co/cUDgs1ve3J Yet they only had a 15% REDUCTION in serum zinc. https://t.co/jnJP5qxto7
@KemMinnick https://t.co/cUDgs1ve3J Omnivores, vegetarians and vegans had very similar zinc intakes. https://t.co/oa1vtJHQVT
@KemMinnick https://t.co/cUDgs1ve3J All groups had similar zinc intakes, and there was a reduction in serum zinc the more plant based the diet was. But this did not result in 0 zinc in serum. Phytate does not reduce bioavailability by 100% not even close.
@geekymutt @AllyHinton @Beef Animals only have it because of supplements. I'll get it myself or in fortified foods. As for iron, sorry, heme iron, the iron from animal sources as opposed to plants isn't good for you. https://t.co/zaqueJUZzI And #plantba
@naturalhealthbl @kevinnbass One such example is https://t.co/g8LPXc0O2I
Habla del ácido fólico como si fuera una deficiencia en la dieta vegana, siendo que los veganos tienen 4 veces menos deficiencias que los omnívoros en este nutriente. https://t.co/2lNS6SiFGf
@ForTkdi @Jose_Galvan @BridgetPhetasy @plantbasedblog "Despite negligible dietary vitamin B12 intake in the vegan group, deficiency of this particular vitamin was low in all groups thanks to widespread use of supplements." (all groups being omni, vegetaria
@MarcPearton @Colleen_C23 @dentintheworld @BridgetPhetasy I would, and would you agree "low" is far less than 92% as well? https://t.co/9KCbl78PR2
@MarcPearton @Colleen_C23 @dentintheworld @BridgetPhetasy something else for you to pick through lol https://t.co/9KCbl78PR2 but as you can see even back in 2017 b12 deficiency in vegans was low (as it was in all groups that supplemented)
Worth noting - the study of B12 linked to here is 10 years old. Here's a newer one, and guess what it found? Yep, no problem with B12: https://t.co/MX0oKvDWoy
@aavocadhoe @AmandaZZ100 @agargmd @craftyvegangirl @TipsterHunter @PCRM @Plantspiration1 Micronutrient status & intake in omnivores, vegetarians, vegans Despite negligible #dietary vit B12 intake in vegans , deficiency of B12 was low in all groups due
RT @jfuse0320: https://t.co/GeQEulP4t6 Eur J Nutr. 2017 Feb;56(1):283-293. 雑食者はMg,VitC,VitE,niacin,葉酸摂取量少. VeganはCa,VitD,VitB12の摂取量少。 雑食は…
@kevinnbass I was on a plant-based diet for decades (living in Africa and Asia) without knowing about B12. This (small) study probably better represents more recent trends: https://t.co/6iJ5kgWjUn
@JohnnyPenso @3ohello @fatcaddie02 @DietzMeta @nutrition_facts https://t.co/UPoHR40qQG - "... results indicate that by consuming a well-balanced diet including supplements or fortified products, all three types of diet can potentially fulfill requirements
Morgan Mitchell, velocista australiana nos cuenta que desde que decidio pasarse a la dieta vegana sus niveles de hierro y B12 aumentaron. Algo que, evidentemente no es así. (https://t.co/N9m6bH7LUw) (https://t.co/mE9ZmWUcnz). https://t.co/AYuPFFsEul