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No. One is simply proposing a mathematical framework independent of experiment. The Bell-Aspect model, demonstrably, is not independent of its expected experimental results...
No. One is simply proposing a mathematical framework independent of experiment. The Bell-Aspect model, demonstrably, is not independent of its expected experimental results...
Sour grapes. Anyone can see that the experiment will be immune to detection loophole.
Here is what the anonymous writer meant: http://libertesphilosophica.info/blog/experimental-metaphysics/
Splendid. We trust the experimenters will make their experimental data and data-analysis scripts publicly available. It should not be too difficult to realise the singlet correlations using the…
The data sets have indeed been posted on the internet, here http://rpubs.com/jjc/16415 and here http://rpubs.com/jjc/19298 , together with a theoretical analysis here http://arxiv...
As described, the experiment indeed obviously has no detection loophole, but also absolutely no chance of reproducing the singlet correlations...
"Gill is so used to the weak double-negation proofs of conventional quantum theory that he apparently cannot get his mind around the point of a physical experiment that does not assume its result a…
Karl Hess was not one of the referees. As noted, the suggested referees were John Clauser, Alain Aspect, and Anton Zeilinger. The published paper is about physics, not about John Bell...
The anonymous writer of this "the point of a physical experiment that does not assume its result a priori" is one of Joy Christian's staunchest supporters...
The above claims by the commentator have been refuted many times over by the author and many other experts in the field. The commentator is hiding his real motives very carefully, which are malicious…
Since the commentator is once again trying to fish out who the referees were, let us recall once again what an unregistered submitter pointed out:"Not satisfied with being merely refuted on…
"I know you are, but what am I"? Come on, guys, stop it. Who cares if Gill doesn't take IJTP or its editors and referees seriously? Who cares if Christian doesn't take Gill seriously? If we are…
Thank you Richard for taking the time to try to explain things for less expert readers here. I think readers are perfectly capable of identifying and filtering ad hominem stuff, so it would be…
If the little birdie is not being sarcastic, it would make imminent sense that the leading defenders of Bell's theorem as fundamental law would be eager to put to rest this serious challenge to…
There is no way to verify that the unreg with whom Peer 1 is agreeing is not the same person. So I suggest readers focus on the content of the comment...
Peer 5, I beg to differ. Both John Clauser and Anton Zeilinger are fine theoretical physicists, in addition to being excellent experimentalists...
A little birdie just told me that the referees suggested to IJTP by the author were John Clauser, Alain Aspect, and Anton Zeilinger.
This thread will be edited to remove some of the most gratuitous personal insults. Keep to the scientific issues. Don't be surprised if approval of non-scientific comments by moderators takes…
Good to know that you now refer to yourself as a "quantum crackpot." I am glad that you finally realized what you truly are. No wonder you cannot do the most elementary algebra...
Anton Zeilinger was at my Vaxjo talk and greatly enjoyed it. I conclude that Christian is joking, again. I would guess that Karl Hess was one of the referees...
@ Peer 1"I wouldn't be surprised at all if "Peer 2" is Gill himself."Well I'm not. Comment signing on PubPeer is per thread (as you would discover if you pressed the magic button, Mr...
Not satisfied with being merely refuted on scientific grounds, or with fair and open debate on the merits of published works, Richard Gill now plans to shoot the messenger, if he can discover who he…
Except that much of what Gill has written is fabricated lies and misrepresented half-truths.What is real is the truly despicable underhand tactics he routinely engages in behind the scenes...
"Finally, in version 2 of his latest preprint he again fails to make any reference to the clear-cut classical derivation of the "quantum" upper bound on the correlation, as derived in the last…
Thank you, "Unregistered submitter". You asked me why do I think the physical space has no effect on the measurement and you post a link to Wolfram's definition of a measure space...
Ladies and gentleman,I hear that --- prompted by the online publication of the paper --- preparations to realize the proposed experiment have already begun...
If there is any sleight-of-hand anywhere, it is in Gill's attempt to misrepresent the author's calculation. Actually, that is not quite true...
It really is ridiculous to be arguing over what these scientists would say. If they have made a public statement, please point to it.Beyond that, I think people would agree that these would be high…
Since Peer 1 is obviously the original author himself, we should trust the little birdie. But it is highly doubtful that any of these three suggested referees would recommend publication...
I find it extraordinary that instead of acknowledging the evident fact that Richard Gill cannot do elementary algebra or understand the most basic physics, some commentators are stooping to insult…
For those who wonder why a serious scientist wastes time (picking up heaps of personal abuse, in public) in debates with crackpots, please see the slides of my invited talk http://www...
"Not satisfied with being merely refuted on scientific grounds, or with fair and open debate on the merits of published works, Richard Gill now plans to shoot the messenger, if he can discover who he…
There is also no guarantee that any of those suggested referees did actually examine the paper.
Since Gill is a proven liar, what he posts as referee reports cannot be trusted for a second.
What evidence do you have for your sociological claims? Did Hans de Raedt and Gregor Weihs --- whoever they are --- communicated to you (or anyone else) about their supposed "opportunity to sign off…
Here's another, later, more colorful page from SciPhysicsForum, updating the imbroglio. One had forgotten how emotional it became. http://www...
Richard is right that a "proof by authority" appealing to the existence of distinguished scientists in the editorial board is simply not credible...
If you say so. You seem to have a lot of "inside" information. I am not sure what serious issues are raised by calling a compulsive liar a compulsive liar...
I considered suggesting posting the referees' reports, but readers will have no real way of checking their veracity.
What points of contention?All one needs to know is elementary algebra to recognize Gill's silly mistakes. I suggest actually reading this reply, which is available since March 2012: http://arxiv...
Gill's and Moldoveanu's arguments have been addressed and refuted. If you want to know what Weihs and de Raedt think, why not ask them instead of spreading innuendo?Also, the same people who said…
And here is a stern response to the above lies (by the administrator of that forum): http://www.sciphysicsforums.com/spfbb1/viewtopic.php?f=6
The problem with "classical orientation entanglement" would seem to be making it coherent for experiment. Richard Gill and Florin Moldoveanu apparently aren't alone in believing this hasn't been…
Does "Richard Gill" seriously imagine he can do elementary algebra? Does he know any physics? Is he counting on his low opinion of IJTP to dodge his junk preprint through its refereeing process?
The administrator of the forum is Fred Diether, one of Joy Christian's outriders (endless cites available). It's his website; he can ban whomever he pleases for whatever reason, fairly or not...
Does "Peer 1" seriously imagine that the august editorial board of IJTP has anything whatever to do with the day to day management of the journal? The submitter of a paper proposes referees...
I suggest that Christian posts the referee reports of his paper to internet, and I will do the same, of mine. Moreover, if he is willing to reveal the names of referees which he proposed to IJTP, I'll…
Richard Gill, an experiment independent of the measurement framework by which it is conducted is always dependent on theoretical criteria, not on the way one processes data...
Classical orientation entanglement is nothing like the Wigner-d'Espagnat inequality. The former is continuous and covariant; the latter is pairwise discrete...
Why aren't effects of Dr Christian's topological structure of space observable in the behavior of mosquitoes, fruitflies etc. whose mass is 1/1000 - 1/500 that of the balls in the proposed experiment?
"The interesting thing is that the present anomaly can be easily understood by non-experts. A line of elementary algebra is enough. "Except that linear algebra isn't the mathematical language in…
"Unregistered Submitter": regarding what I called "the present anomaly", I am not talking about Joy Christian's theoretical framework. I am talking about his plain English instructions to…
They would be observable if you can make two mosquitoes --- or two fruit flies --- rotate in tandem relative to each other, in a singlet state, just as the two fragments of an exploding bomb…
Effects should be observable by applying the Wigner-d'Espagnat inequality to a confined set of the insects. You select three behavioral parameters (pitch greater or less than n degrees, yaw less or…
This is getting exceedingly tedious.Here are the author's instructions: http://www.sciphysicsforums.com/spfbb1/viewtopic.php?f=6
There is no classical world separate from the quantum world. There is just world, and there is nothing strange about it. See, for example, the astute comments by Bell quoted on this page: http://libert…
Ladies and gentlemen,Is this really how scientists behave?I would ask the PubPeer moderator to remove the rudest comments from Peer 1 (those that suggest that Gill is dishonest, and those that…
Don't be so naive.Read what Brian Martin has to say here: https://www.uow.edu.au/~bmartin/pubs/93nw.html .There is a lot more nastiness going on behind the scenes than what is seen on the Internet…
This tit for tat between personalities should stop. Now. Joy wrote a paper accepted for publication in IJTP; Gill wrote a response letter. May we have a serious discussion of the merits of each…
Guys, I think no readers will expect you to converge to a consensus. And any readers seeing this thread will have been adequately warned that the paper is the subject of some controversy...
The commentator's fallacious claims have been repeatedly refuted by many experts in the field, most notably by the distinguished editors and the editorial board of the International Journal of…
I am not a theoretical physicist, but a mathematical statistician. However, I have published quite a bit on statistical and probabilistic issues around Bell-Aspect type experiments and the Bell…
Great!! I am totally amused and a little disappointed too at the same time after reading this whole discussion. It is totally new for me to learn that theoretical physicists (particularly well known…
The repetition of the phrase "third rate" is getting tedious. "Peer 1" (Joy Christian?) now gives us a link to an internet discussion forum where this phrase is cunningly high-lighted...
The truth is very clearly spelt out on this page: http://libertesphilosophica.info/blog/.
Nor can one win a scientific argument by deception, dishonesty, and underhand political tactics. As noted above, slandering one's opponents (even in one's arXiv preprints) is a strategy habitually…
For the record, Professor Gill, did Professor Emeritus David Finkelstein initiate contact with you, so as to solicit your submitting a letter to IJTP?
Thank you. Many years ago, I received a handwritten rejection note from David Finkelstein, "Plausible physical ideas, not accompanied by a mathematical theory that would incorporate them...
I wrote to David Finkelstein. I had previously written to editor and assistant editor, but got no response. Prof. Finkelstein wrote back promptly, suggesting that I submit a letter to IJTP...
The commentator writes: "At the suggestion of emeritus editor-in-chief Finkelstein...." This is yet another example of how the commentator often tries to deceive the physics community...
Gill is an expert statistician. As a scientist and physicist, though, his failings glare." ... the experiment has an interesting self-destructive property: it is certain not to deliver the required…
The dishonesty of the commentator continues in version 2 of his preprint. Even after being prompted, he fails to make any reference to the clear-cut refutations of his claims, as brought out in detail…
Richard Gill has made clear that he'd like to see the experiment under discussion conducted but believes Dr Christian still needs to submit an acceptable proof of concept in order to obtain both…
Version 2 will be as wrong as version 1. One cannot learn physics and mathematics overnight.
LOL! I see Gill is still trying to impose his bogus CHSH inequality on the experiment. CHSH is not required by the experiment at all. His arXiv preprint is entirely wrong.
The type of scientific misconduct the commentator habitually engages in is called "type two scientific misconduct." See, for example, this analysis: http://link...
"Peer 1" (Joy Christian?) seems to be reverting to personal slander. It is sad for his friend Karl Hess that Hess's "disproof of Bell's theorem" depended on a forgotten index in the middle of an…
Personal slander is a strategy habitually employed by the commentator, not the author, as one can verify from literally thousands of his derogatory posts on the internet...
The commentator has tried to play this broken record many times before, without understanding the first thing about either the proposed experiment or the physical theory behind it...
At the suggestion of emeritus editor-in-chief Finkelstein, I have submitted a letter to IJTP: http://arxiv.org/abs/1412.2677
Trolls like the commentator are not a new problem. See Einstein's advice to Marie Curie on how to deal with trolls: http://www.vox.com/xpress/2014/12/6/7342171/trolls-einstein-curie
The above are quite misleading comments by the commentator (which again reveals his lack of understanding of basic physics). As pointed out above, all the commentator did was to make a minute…
Dear JayI agree that the experiment ought to be done. However it is unlikely to be done for the reason I gave in my initial posting...
Chantal Roth and Michel Fodje both simulated detection loophole models. It has been known for 40 years that such models can easily violate Bell inequalities, and many earlier versions have been…
Gill, like Aristotle, allows his philosophy to drive his science. He says, "Locality is the principle that the direction of causality matches the direction of time, and that causal influences need…
The above misrepresentation of the experiment by the commentator yet again reveals that he has not bothered to read the paper, unlike the distinguished editorial board members and referees of IJTP...
Whenever somebody proposes an experiment to test a theory, they are handing out double-edged swords and by doing so taking a large risk that they, not their critics, will end up with egg on their…
The editorial board of the journal IJTP (2012 impact factor of 1.09) does indeed have a most interesting composition.Editor-in-chief Heinrich Saller was ten years ago already an emeritus professor at…
It indeed has. The quality of the journal has vastly improved in 30 years.
What I find interesting is some of the landmark papers published in this journal.For example this pioneering paper by Richard Feynman: http://link...
Perhaps the quality of the journal has changed in 30 years
This outdated paper by Bell has been superseded by the above paper published in IJTP (with the preprint http://arxiv.org/pdf/1211.0784.pdf ), and by the detailed discussion in the book http://lccn...
The above comment by the commentator is completely off topic. It only shows his inability to understand the author's theoretical analysis. The correct simulations of the experiment proposed in the…
The answer to your question is in the very title of the published paper: "Macroscopic Observability of Spinorial Sign Changes under 2π Rotations...
Detailed computer simulations of ... Pearle's detection loophole model from 1970, translated from obscure analytic expressions into simple probability language, and programmed in R by Richard Gill…
It's too bad Dr Christian isn't around (or is he?) to speak for himself, but if he were (or is) it'd be sweet to see his answer to this question: Do you, Sir, continue to endorse this statement made…
Richard Gill believes that discrete data sets substitute for the continuous function, which is what the experiment is about; it is not about the outcome of k rolls of the dice, individually or in the…
Bertlmann's Socks:http://www.dancing-peasants.com/bell_bertlmannssocks.pdfThere's also an end-note (#16) about women smokers, which is pretty macroscopic.
Richard, you say that one can predict with probability 1 "as a matter of algebra, not of statistics" the result of what is a continuous nonlinear function, and not a discrete outcome...
Indeed. That is the whole point of the proposed local-realistic experiment. But the commentator clearly has not read, or understood, the *physical* analysis carried out in the published paper (which…