Unregistered Submission
The author's paper is not mathematically sound. Fundamental to the premise is the summation over "Nature's choice" of handedness for the quaternion subalgebra of the GA employed, where the choice is…
The author's paper is not mathematically sound. Fundamental to the premise is the summation over "Nature's choice" of handedness for the quaternion subalgebra of the GA employed, where the choice is…
Peer 1: ( January 27th, 2015 12:58pm UTC ):Unregistered Submission ( January 27th, 2015 9:42am UTC ): "Therefore it is important to determine the mathematical soundness of the paper under discussion...
Unregistered Submitter: in Peres' (1978; Am. J. Physics) thought experiment, which Christian has adopted and further refined, the measured A, A', B and B' are all on an equal footing; all are…
"The model exists independent of observations and independent of any possibility of observations." No, the quantum-theoretic model does not exist independent of the results of the 2-slit experiment...
I fundamentally disagree with the above comments by the Unregistered Submitter ( January 27th, 2015 4:23pm UTC ). He/she has missed the point of the paper by at least a mile...
Unregistered Submission: ( January 27th, 2015 12:44pm UTC ):"The model exists independent of observations and independent of any possibility of observations...
In that case what we can do is perform the proposed experiment. Fortunately, in physics, we have that option. The proposed experiment makes two clear-cut predictions, as explicated in eqs...
Unregistered Submission ( January 27th, 2015 9:42am UTC ): "Therefore it is important to determine the mathematical soundness of the paper under discussion...
The original Bell-CHSH inequality is a statement about model *parameters*, which are, by definition, "unobservable", although they can be _estimated_ from *observable* quantities, while Gill's…
"That folklore (and the mathematics behind it) is relevant to the experiment proposed in the paper under discussion."False! As I said, please read the original IJTP paper carefully, and then read…
Unregistered Submission: ( January 26th, 2015 7:02pm UTC ): "Well, that's the fundamental problem, isn't it?"No, it is not a problem, it's just how it is...
Well, that's the fundamental problem, isn't it? That parameters are determined by observation admits from the start that the mathematical theory supporting the model will be incomplete and dependent…
Peer 1: ( January 26th, 2015 12:14pm UTC ): "I would be happy to discuss any issues relevant to these papers. I am not interested in the 50 year old folklore popularized by Bell and his devotees...
Peer 1: ( January 26th, 2015 10:47am UTC ):Average of sum = sum of averages assumption is fine if all A, A', B, and B' are on equal footing (or are standardized variables), but not fine at all within…
Peer 1: ( January 25th, 2015 8:33am UTC ):But any fool can see that the single average >is not the same as the string of four averages> + > - >...
Average of sum = sum of averages assumption is fine if all A, A', B, and B' are on equal footing (or are standardized variables), but not fine at all within the physical context of the EPR-Bohm type…
Go back and do the experiments again.PS: Rather annoyingly, Gill continues to misrepresent the author's instructions to the experimenters provided in the published paper...
Tsirelson's bound of 2 sqrt 2 is never violated? These experimenters predicted and observed S = 3.2: http://journals.aps.org/prl/abstract/10...
Gill: "Referee reports were apparently received by the editors [of IJTP] 14 days ago, but still no conclusion..."Here, straight from the horse's mouth:http://challengingbell...
Of possible historical interest. Followers of this discussion might be interested in a Google Groups colloquy lasting from 22 December 2011 through 27 March 2012 in which Dr Christian played a…
It never hurts to expose bad science and bad "scientists", as done studiously by Peer 10.
Well, the answer to your last question is provided here: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1501.03393.pdf .Could it be that some people find the author's reasoning in IJTP too subtle to understand?
Interesting. Gill's comments above prove that peer review is indeed broken. Otherwise how can the silly mathematical blunders by Gill pass through the peer reviews as he claims? Thanks to PubPeer his…
I find the above comments by Gill not only subjective, but also biased, disingenuous, and ignorant of the physics literature: (1) He is concealing the fact that the editorial board of FOOP is almost…
Peer 1: ( January 24th, 2015 12:44pm UTC ): "It never hurts to expose bad science and bad "scientists""I wouldn't count on that. It's hard to hurt science but the bad scientist may hurt anyone who…
That's an interesting view of the mission of PubPeer. I thought that the mission was "PubPeer seeks to create an online community that uses the publication of scientific results as an opening for…
Interesting, indeed, to see the kind of mental blocks the Bell devotees tend to have. At the heart of the whole "debate" is only a half a page of calculation, which can be understood within 20…
On the contrary, it is evident form the discussion referred to by Peer 10 that a number of elementary mathematical blunders in the papers by Gill are exposed by several people:https://pubpeer...
Peer 10: ( January 24th, 2015 2:56am UTC ):Are you referring to this paper being discussed at https://pubpeer.com/publications/D985B475C637F666CC1D3E3A314522 and https://pubpeer...
Peer 1 has now said "schoolboy howlers" thirteen times on this thread as of 5:19 PM UTC 24 January 2015. It feels like ten times that. Can we pass the hat and buy him a new cringe-inducing cliché?
"The paper is written for an audience of mathematical statisticians, not for physicists. I suspect that the still existing major culture differences are partly responsible for this kind of confusion...
For the non-experts who might be reading this thread let me summarize where the resistance to the results in the published paper is ultimately coming from...
Well, the evidence presented above by Peer 10 speaks for itself. It only reinforces what has been revealed already here http://arxiv.org/pdf/1501...
What you should be cringing about, Nick, is the fact that those schoolboy howlers are produced by a man who calls himself a "mathematician."
Indeed, (5) and (6) are formulas in https://pubpeer.com/publications/D985B475C637F666CC1D3E3A314522 and as far as I can see the discussants did not understand my notation ...
Boole, not Bool. The issue which Peer 1 raises now is a rather old and rather basic (elementary) issue which keeps turning up. If you want to focus on that one, join in the discussion at https://pubpe…
Yes, the probability Pr( ... ) in the last but one displayed equation on page 22 of http://arxiv.org/abs/1207.5103 is a conditional probability...
In recent years, FOOP has published many papers on the foundations of quantum physics. This is a somewhat specialist field and it seems that FOOP attracts good authors (and has good reviewers) in…
Suppose you tell us what you mean by 'scientific.' And show your work.
Gill, it is really hard to figure out what you are saying here: "There are plenty of opportunities for non-mainstream views to get published in main-stream journals, for instance in the journal…
Peer 1: ( January 22nd, 2015 7:10pm UTC ): "Proverbs are for the Proverbians. We are talking science. We are talking physics and mathematics within the context of the paper published in IJTP, and…
Interesting. So Gill seems to have a habit of leaving a trail of mathematical blunders in everything he writes, not just in his bogus claims against the author's perfectly sound work...
Unregistered Submission: ( January 23rd, 2015 4:33pm UTC ): "Found.Phys. is indeed a credible and mainstream journal. So is IJTP, which is a much older mainstream journal (Found...
Here is one idea: Gill pointed out mathematical mistakes made by Joy. Joy replied that Gill is mistaken about Joy's mistakes. Gill's Statistical Science paper contains a Theorem which states that Joy's…
" ... knowledge of publications should made available that every scientist can determine which publications best satisfy his needs and preferences...
The last two appendices of the original preprint are evidently dedicated to addressing all such previous "criticisms" in a systematic way: http://arxiv...
Unregistered Submitter: "Gill's Statistical Science paper contains a Theorem which states that Joy's claims are impossible."Are you referring to this paper being discussed at https://pubpeer...
(1) Your first premise is false. All Gill did was to point out mathematical mistakes in his own distortions of the author's argument, as explained here http://arxiv...
Seems that most of the discussants have difficulties in understanding the notation. And Peer 1 should ask himself what Mother Teresa would have said...
Peer 1: ( January 23rd, 2015 11:21am UTC ): ""Christian was already aware of this type of critic but failed to consider it in the paper."False...
Proverbs are for the Proverbians. We are talking science. We are talking physics and mathematics within the context of the paper published in IJTP, and within the context of this clear-cut refutation…
Unregistered Submission: ( January 22nd, 2015 3:06pm UTC ): "Gill, you rest your arguments on authority."The original comment by Gill was fully mathematical identification of a problem in Christians…
Much more important point is the one that the unregistered submitter has made: "... in his ... comments [ Gill ] considers *different* possible values of two *constants*! Well, Richard, constants…
Ever heard of the Edinburgh fringe? Aka the "the greatest show on earth". The fringe is where the exciting stuff happens, the really innovative stuff...
Gill, you rest your arguments on authority. I more trust Christian, who rests his arguments on mathematics. If you must invoke authority, Einstein himself allowed that " ...
"Christian was already aware of this type of critic but failed to consider it in the paper."False. The straw-man argument by Gill was already debunked by the author two years ago: http://arxiv...
Peer 1: ( January 22nd, 2015 7:10pm UTC ): "Proverbs are for the Proverbians. We are talking science. We are talking physics and mathematics within the context of the paper published in IJTP, and…
Someone apparently hasn't heard the proverb: One man's constants are other man's variables.
You may find some answers to your questions here: http://www.bmartin.cc/pubs/08nd.pdf . If that is not helpful, then you may find a brief explanation of the long history of this particular "scientific…
Unregistered Submitter: changing the course of the mainstream is indeed the aim of all new *scientific* ideas. But the ideas have to be sound (scientific), don't you agree? I nowhere said that the…
Peer 1: ( January 22nd, 2015 10:21am UTC ): "Now tell me: Does that meanX = Y = Z = 0 ?"It means that if you substitute non-zero values in the right side of Gill's equation 3, it will evaluate to…
Each participant has his own purposes to participate. One of those purposes seems to be to hide the revelation of errors in article by posting so many comments that a casual reader with great…
I think it is best to get back to the main topic of this thread. Gill has made some fallacious claims about the published paper, and the author has refuted these claims here: http://arxiv...
With all due respect I just need to ask a question. I am not into this scientific field at all, but I have followed it a bit just because the number of comments and views is extraordinary...
So far so good. Glad to know that someone is paying attention.Now tell me: Does that meanX = Y = Z = 0 ?That is what the "mathematician" Gill has claimed...
"If a X + b Y = 0 for all a and b, then we can conclude that X = 0 and Y = 0."And what does Peer 1 think is wrong with that claim?
Unregistered Submitter: Joy Christian and Karl Hess both hold non-mainstream opinions concerning "quantum non-locality". That's how I defined my use of the word "fringe"...
Well, from what I read from many of Gill's posts above, he is the one who cleverly throws around adjectives like "crackpots" and "fringe scientists" without implicating himself...
Gill does not have any equation numbers in his preprint, but perhaps you mean eq.(3) in this reply: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1501.03393.pdf . But then I do not understand your answer...
"Then eq.(3) of http://arxiv.org/pdf/1501.03393.pdf is similar to the following equation:a X + b Y = 0."Not really similar...
Good question, Unregistered Submitter! Bell's theorem is fundamental to a significant part of modern physics. Quantum information, quantum computing and so on...
Could you please try to remain civil, unregistered submitter? I refer you to https://pubpeer.com/misconduct and https://pubpeer.com/howto
I don't know about all these great minds and their profound views on deep theories Gill mentions above. I am puzzled at the moment about a very simple question that even a schoolboy can understand...
Well, now that Gill has failed the proposed Quantum Mechanics examination, it's all very clear. Also, in his last comments he considers *different* possible values of two *constants*! Well, Richard…
a and b are given fixed constants, both in the simpler example and in the original equations.
Changing the course of the mainstream is the aim of all new scientific ideas, is it not?
Yes, (4) follows from (3). There is a summation over rho but there is also a Levi-Civita epsilon symbol with three indices mu, nu, rho. It equals +1 or -1 if all three are different (depending on the…
On the other hand, to verify Gill's qualifications, all one has to do is compare equations (3) and (4) of the author's reply, and ask Gill: Does eq...
Well, well ... Peer 5 reappears.May be he/she can answer the question that Gill is refusing to answer: Does eq. (4) in the author's reply follow from eq...
As I was eagerly hoping, Gill has now dug himself much deeper into his blunder. An honest thing for a competent "mathematician" would have been to immediately recognize his foolish mistake, admit it…
At a quick count, I have four physics papers in PRL, four in PRA, two in Europhysics Letters, one in J Phys A, one in PNAS. I'm an honorary fellow of IOP...
Peer 1 wrote:"The funny thing is, I have yet to see any christian on this thread. So what is Gill talking about?"Umm...you think it may be Muslims?
Meanwhile at IJTP, reviews of my submission were completed 10 days ago, still no word from the editor.
Richard Gill: ( January 19th, 2015 11:51am UTC ) said;"Strange, Unregistered Submitter, that in the published paper, Christian instructs the experimenters to use equation (91), which he copied from…
ROTFL!!! Gill says he had "personal supervision from Stephen Hawking ... at Cambridge."If this is true (ROTFL), then shame on Stephen Hawking and shame on Cambridge University...
Peer 1, are you saying that Joy Christian is *not* the director of the Einstein Centre for Local-Realistic Physics, Oxford? Are you suggesting that the Einstein Centre for Local-Realistic Physics…
All this discussion is useless. Dr. Christian already gave an analytic derivation of the QM cosine correlations in the context of a local hidden variable model...
Had the author thought these equations were irrelevant they would not be there.
Every single claim made by Gill above is manifestly false, as has been repeatedly pointed out by several people on this very thread.It is quite sad to witness that Gill --- a self-proclaimed "mathemati…
Yet another display of shameless diversionary tactics and smear by Gill. He refuses to see the truth, which is the fact that he --- a self-proclaimed "mathematician" --- remains incapable of seeing…
Calling Richard Gill a self-proclaimed "mathematician" (Joy Christian's quotation marks): is that a smear, a falsehood, or a misrepresentation of facts? Joy Christian is the self-proclaimed director…
It appears that, let alone mathematics, Gill has trouble understanding even simple English.I am saying this: "Yet another display of shameless diversionary tactics and smear by Gill...
Three people all over the internet are comparing Christian with Einstein / Kepler / Riemann / your own favourite scientific hero: J. J. Christian (PhD), Thomas H...
Peer 9, I agree with you that the ad hominem attacks on both sides should be moderated out of the forum. However, the argumentum example you use is not accurate...
"It is well known that angular momenta are best described, not by ordinary polar vectors, but by pseudo vectors,or bivectors, that change sign upon reflection [4][5]"you sure about that?"I am...
Strange, Unregistered Submitter, that in the published paper, Christian instructs the experimenters to use equation (91), which he copied from Peres (1978), and not equation (110), which comes from…
In any event, Gill's schoolboy howlers in both mathematics and physics have been exquisitely exposed by the author for all to see: http://arxiv...
I believe that Joy Christian does reside in the city of Oxford, see http://libertesphilosophica.info/blog/about/ . He had a postdoctoral fellowship at Wolfson college for a couple of years back in…
Yeah, a few people get stuck and hung up on equations like 7 and 8 in the preprint when they try to do a simple algebraic calculation of the correlation...
LOL, what the author has made so abundantly transparent in his preprint is Gill's shocking incompetence in elementary mathematics and physics...