@santa_care @VPrasadMDMPH It seems to me that this >=80 year old problem had been around for some time, and with things besides COVID? https://t.co/EV9cdakfUd
@Growing_fun @TheoFleury14 https://t.co/IDH108FIDR Maybe search for yourself. This maybe a good start for you. Have a great Saturday evening having a look. Take care
@BallouxFrancois @beenwrekt @DrJBhattacharya @MartinKulldorff At the same time, if we assume an age-specific susceptibility distribution like in 1957/68, older age groups would probably have had some preexisting protection, unlike with SARS-Cov-2. https://
@JoeriMorren @DoubleYouOne @JoNaZegtHet @GardenofE2 Ja nogal logisch. Is bij de griep ook zo: https://t.co/7HWN7HNxDJ IFR is 75 x zo hoog bij mensen van 85+ dan bij mensen van 40-45 jaar oud. Ik durf te wedden dat de IFR bij mensen van 110+ jaar oud tegen
@kitqa @Jakub36341318 @KorolukM W tym temacie tutaj jest ciekawe badanie: https://t.co/jbhkQnBKyt
@spider420chris @JuliaHB1 Basically you're not right, because it is about being infected as well as how you respond. Not sure where you get the <40 risk point from. Here is a pretty good study on Flu risk. https://t.co/mr2GpofbxH The IFR is similar,
@s_starcevich @mattyglesias Risks were similar or even higher in several past severe influenza seasons. https://t.co/ngJyOIKu9x
@_dannybob_ @NecroDogma @mattyglesias IFR for COVID of unvaxxed 80 year old is 1%. That sucks for the 1% but it ain’t much different than influenza, and is actually significantly better than some flu seasons. https://t.co/ngJyOIKu9x
The age distribution of mortality due to influenza: pandemic and peri-pandemic | BMC Medicine | Full Text https://t.co/IhK64oZbsI
@gnesHHorvath1 @tomdabassman Die Influenza ist in jedem Jahr eingepreist und wird als Lebensrisiko akzeptiert. Dann kommt es eben zu pandemischen Wellen, die jetzt SARS-CoV-2 auch ausgelöst hat. Vergleiche sind daher was die IFR angeht müßig. Ganz andere V
@YardleyShooting Influenza vaccines have never really worked “In this study, we found that after immune escape, older age groups showed no further mortality reduction, despite their being the principal target of conventional influenza vaccines” https://
Flu vaccines don’t work “In this study, we found that after immune escape, older age groups showed no further mortality reduction, despite their being the principal target of conventional influenza vaccines. “ https://t.co/QadZ7gbsv3
@MaxiKoenig @SapiensWell @HuebnerJohannes Die Influenza IFR ist hier meines Erachtens viel zu niedrig angegeben. Influenza IFR 0,2 bei über 80-Jährigen?? Das ich nicht lache. Siehe z.B. https://t.co/TxX0Eu0LB9
@AnaMonteiroK1 @inesdealmeida90 Vá, aprenda um pouco hoje sobre o vírus da gripe normal: https://t.co/nEk6b1ZuFS "total mortality rates for 85 to 90-year-olds are about 75 times larger than the rates for 45- to 50-year olds" Isto sempre foi assim.
@Julionumber9 @ThomasW75634076 @AP Yea? The flu is also almost “that” deadly for the same group lol what’s your point https://t.co/HWBZgFFkYt
@AndrewP8186 @Julionumber9 @ThomasW75634076 @AP Same could be said for flu deaths. I hope you’ve never made light of the flu which has also killed thousands. Guess we should shut down society for that too? https://t.co/HWBZgFFkYt
RT @nikmitev: @PhazonSentinel @coulson_elle @wendywoo6089 @DannyM59418090 Of course, a short search away. Chance of dying with flu if you a…
@PhazonSentinel @coulson_elle @wendywoo6089 @DannyM59418090 Of course, a short search away. Chance of dying with flu if you are under 20 about 10x that of COVID. Do the full math from the graphs if you want an exact figure. https://t.co/3jKtK8pJxj https://
@ScottAdamsSays I guess it depends on your definition of "children". https://t.co/8XrmGi2Kp7 https://t.co/uGuvrFfiJq
Think I must have read more scientific papers in 2020 than in any year since completing my PhD—quarter of a century ago. #YearInReview Links to the set of related ideas & evidence highlighted above: 1️⃣ https://t.co/0SKjWksZ1G 2️⃣ https://t.co/54PuXCn
@StevenHaesaert @PLoobuyck @idevisch Toch wel, Steven. Voor <30j is een influenzapandemie zelfs gevaarlijker dan COVID19. Daarmee zeg ik niks over >45j. IFR van COVID19 is sterk leeftijdsgebonden (en, akkoord, uiteindelijk ook hoger) https://t.co/oX
@HoppySaul @Leannewheldon1 @IndependentSage @SafeEdForAll_UK Your argument is nonsensical as it falls equivalent to the regular influenza https://t.co/phqFp7fdxJ https://t.co/f0xr0t5ojS https://t.co/04b4ZEvNJL
@Ga1tJohn Because the CDC age pool is 80+ at the top end - whats your point? what evidence there is in the 90+ range suggests that it is exponential in the upper age ranges and so those blue lines would continue in a straight line at their current angle.
@csuwildcat @usernamegg4 @RussellOkung Yes it literally does. https://t.co/PtX0w1xSji https://t.co/4imWJgxLgl
@sorenrags @halvarflake @zorinaq Oh, this is total cherry picking. Influenza also has a massive age-specific mortality curve. Curves correspond to life expectancy of a given society, and include millennia (!!!) of historical data. Full paper: https://t.c
@BayesReality @ahapatite @SakumiBLR Mais a priori dans les 2 cas le taux de mortalité augmente exponentiellement ave l'âge https://t.co/sHH16TalaY
@MLevitt_NP2013 Cf. "In all influenza pandemics of the 20th century, emergent viruses resembled those that had circulated previously within the lifespan of then-living people…immunity to the pandemic virus does not prevent infection, but only mitigates the
@infoelbfeeb1 @rbb24 Für seeehr junge Menschen 0-5 Jahre (IFR von rund 1%) https://t.co/xB7QX2q9CF https://t.co/1IeKTcFBbJ
RT @DrJohnHayward: "It is clear that the pattern of influenza-attributable mortality, including the overall decline, has been unaffected, a…
RT @DrJohnHayward: "It is clear that the pattern of influenza-attributable mortality, including the overall decline, has been unaffected, a…
@simondolan Define "effective"… https://t.co/8ARB6eO4L5
@XanderKoolman De IFR kan nog wel eens gaan meevallen. Zie dit onderzoek naar de attack rate per leeftijds-cohort voor influenza: https://t.co/x2zz0mMzH6 Dat geeft hoop: Bij influenza worden 80-ers 8x minder besmet dan 20-ers, ergo een lagere IFR.
@justinissmarter @sullydish Covid is more deadly than the flu at all adult ages AFAIK. Runs at about 0.2% mortality for 20-29 (China, Spain data). Influenza doesn't reach 0.1% mortality until about 37 (Canada data). Covid is more infectious too. covid - h
@erstmal_denken @pkreissel Es ist klar, dass von C19 Menschen >70 höheres Risiko haben. Habe mal Grippe aus Interesse gesucht. Interessant wird es fast ganz unten beim Absatz zu Impfungen. https://t.co/kEzVSjDpQP
@CDCgov A tad misleading… #Influenza #vaccination #FluVaccine Immunoprotection does not prevent infection, only the consequences of infection: https://t.co/8ARB6eO4L5
"It is clear that the pattern of influenza-attributable mortality, including the overall decline, has been unaffected, at the population level, by the distribution of influenza vaccine—The trial design for vaccines should be re-examined." @BMCMedicine 2012
@RoS_1011 @holmenkollin @FrankfurtZack @DaFeid @theotherphilipp @GidMK Influenza 1,2% bei 85 jährigen. Covid 15% - DAS ist eben der Unterschied. Durch deine asoziale Ignoranz stirbt ohne Not jeder 6te hochaltrige aber eben unnötig. https://t.co/6ivgNn5lEO
@welshhenryviii @AaronBastani @JuliaHB1 https://t.co/CRoPhSnExz Slightly old but you get the picture.
@JohnSte2021 Worth a google https://t.co/Rw6yimBecV
@Johnboi_and_Ant @izzb0n Bruh, Philosophy is the science of sciences.... Anyways, I’ve been researching age distribution of mortality in a pandemic (since we uni students have access to scholarly articles), the number seems like it should be higher. http
An interesting article I found on influenza pandemics and some sound conclusions we are currently not applying with regard to coronavirus, vaccines, and planning. https://t.co/O3WrqdGygC
De all-cause mortality rate is exponentieel met leeftijd (link), evenals vermoedelijk bij griep (excess mortality rate in griepseizoen is ook exponentieel; link). IFR van griep is niet te vinden. Infecties worden ook niet zo bijgehouden als bij sars2. h
Decent overview article. To compare results of this Geneva-study estimates with well-studied flu, see figure 6 for amazing data visualization covering many years/seasons in this study: https://t.co/NRobUVxqq0 https://t.co/UJgUOeQYA6 https://t.co/MqmYKYnO
@Orang3Coin @salter_sam @MinistryDissent @10DowningStreet For comparison the flu is around 0.001-0.012% for the same age range. https://t.co/eYdvyaxBbi
@stevethompson49 @ProfPCDoherty Is it? Median age of #COVID19 deaths is 80. Age expectancy is 82. Please tell me you understand the significance of those two numbers. OTOH, here is the mortality data on the flu. Scroll down to Fig 1 for a graph. Tell me yo
@scottterri @johncardillo Do you actually think it's mostly the elderly/infirm that are dying? Age distribution of deaths by seasonal flu is fundamentally no different than covid. Except covid is 2X the rate. https://t.co/DJZQ9Xac3U
6. Pandemic flu is definitely bad news for old people too, esp if adjusting for likely previous exposure to similar virus. https://t.co/D6F9DMc1hF
@ScottHarlow @jswatz 94% no serious complications. Only one of the 2143 cases studied was fatal - about 0.05% That makes a ~99.95% survival rate based on that study. This is the same ballpark as the risk of dying of *anything* in that age group in Canada a
@allisonpearson @MuuPuklip A little night reading:https://t.co/3RL39DB6wP Number of points to consider: 1 it is scewed due to vaccination. Note: vaccines only work before infection not after. 2 mortality is present in all age groups. 3 There is seasonal v
@checkupcbc @JoshMatlow Stopped getting flu shots yrs ago & just read study re: immune escape & vaccines having 0 effect in elderly. Handwashing & resp hygiene must become a natural habit for all as ppl live closer together https://t.co/gdVzYYo
RT @Doc4Malibu: Question. Why does Covid-19 a flu variant, seemingly skip over young children when the influenza does not? Answer: it’s a…
Question. Why does Covid-19 a flu variant, seemingly skip over young children when the influenza does not? Answer: it’s a designed bio-weapon. Would China a country with a decades long failed population control policy design a virus to cull their herd?
Question. Why does Covid-19 a flu variant, seemingly skip over children when the influenza does not? Answer: it’s a designed bio-weapon. Would China a country with a decades long failed population control policy design a virus to cull their herd? https:
@ScottAdamsSays Question. Why does Covid-19 a flu variant, seemingly skip over children when the influenza does not? Answer: it’s a designed bio-weapon. Would China a country with a decades long failed population control policy design a virus to cull the
2/2 anyone talking about this yet, but if you take a look below: https://t.co/LB6C4m2OFU assuming similarities between novel coronavirus and influenza, picture doesnt look good. Further reading https://t.co/RdYhxw4nn8
@uk_domain_names Even then, the drift towards older age mortality is not greatly out of line from actual influenza (COVID-19 is not an influenza, it's classified as SARS-CoV-2) Ref 1. https://t.co/r4nutsqMaD Ref 2. https://t.co/HDwO0rPND6
@HylandAlan @Joe_Example @uk_domain_names Not greatly out of the norm for general influenza death rates But the #NHS has been saying since 2010 that chronic underfunding will lead to a state where "one bad flu winter" will lead to many preventable deaths
@2019nCoVwatcher Concerning deadliness, influenza is indeed mich more seriousl. S. https://t.co/3orl97Zlzc
Sources: Covid: https://t.co/DivkiWUHu4 Flu mortality: https://t.co/wZS8vtZT6E H2N2: https://t.co/11RjGT51yN
@mitchbear @chr1sa That said, if I'm reading this right, the excess rate of death for 90 year olds during flu epidemics is slightly less than 0.1%. https://t.co/TqK1X4AAxX https://t.co/NkF35k0ti5
Preparing for @ncirs journal club tomorrow on pandemic flu mortality by age: why did I pick such a complex paper? http://t.co/4q4vb62Fhd
Influenza-mortality, age, immunity and vaccination. Informative open access review on this complex scenario http://t.co/D5hO6AoQ
Influenza-mortality, age, immunity and vaccination. Informative open access review on this complex scenario http://t.co/D5hO6AoQ
RT @ISDS: The age distribution of mortality due to influenza: pandemic and peri-pandemic (BMC Medicine) http://t.co/fYl7WMHO
The age distribution of mortality due to influenza: pandemic and peri-pandemic (BMC Medicine) http://t.co/fYl7WMHO
Meus amigos, vale a pena conferir trabalhos como esse: http://t.co/FZaRaCjY @BioMedCentral
Modeling #influenza mortality http://t.co/0viEIMZo @BMCMedicine
Modeling #influenza mortality http://t.co/0viEIMZo @BMCMedicine
Mathematical modeling suggests that #influenza mortality rates are affected by virulence and moderated by immunity http://t.co/7acHSTIQ
Mathematical modeling suggests that #influenza mortality rates are affected by virulence and moderated by immunity http://t.co/7acHSTIQ
Mathematical modeling suggests that #influenza mortality rates are affected by virulence and moderated by immunity http://t.co/7acHSTIQ
Mathematical modeling suggests that #influenza mortality rates are affected by virulence and moderated by immunity http://t.co/7acHSTIQ